shake and bake white phosphorus

she remembered they had fires in her town in germany which would burn for a week or so because they were not able to put them off. But here we screw ourselves into the ceiling every month or so absolutely convinced that THIS TIME someone's going to the Hague, by God, or at least to impeachment. Posted by b on November 10, 2005 at 0:03 UTC | Permalink, "you get tragedy where the tree, instead of bending, breaks", Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 10 2005 0:14 utc | 1, & such tragedy, unlike premeption - is inevitable, Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 10 2005 0:16 utc | 2. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 11 2005 22:27 utc | 68. Some Marines don't like the idea of using forced labor in Fallujah. Sweet FA re facts ... he's highly probably a troll. It's the hypocrisy of the unpaid killers that poses the greatest problem. How many of them were non-combatant civilians ? And the idea is that you shake them out of their hiding place and then you can bake them or kill them with high explosives, having shaken them out with your white phosphorus. “Stand by!” he yelled, sending Lance Cpls. The Iraqi people are fully capable of resolving their differences and setting up their own government, just as they did after the British pulled out. Posted by: Noisette | Nov 11 2005 19:44 utc | 60, people like dahr jamail & there are others, many others including those working for red crescent who are revealing to our world the nature of operations in all their soridd splendour, those who would like to hide the facts just double the crime because as in my lai - the truth has a way of exerting itself even in the darkest of circumstances, but people like dahr - help the truth along at great risk to themselves staying very far way from the green zone & the publicity machines of the empire, it is a moment in human history where the truth is needed out of all measure, (& in this regard noisette - i admire your posts but the inclusion the other night of a nazi site - does you or us no honour - the truth itself is so ugly we do not need the vagaries of vulgar anti semitism - the socialism of the stupid, the great majority of us are able to criticise fundamentally the policies of israel & their propogandist without reaching into the blood & mud of anti semitism), Posted by: r'giap | Nov 11 2005 19:52 utc | 61. Debs is dead. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 16 2005 1:04 utc | 99, Posted by: Outraged | Nov 16 2005 22:17 utc | 100. Definitely not a plant, just a garden variety troll-fest. If we blame and seek out the leaders of Al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden et al, as primarily responsible for the crimes of their foot-soldiers in order to serve justice ... then who has command responsibility for the actions of the foot-soldier grunt, trooper or jarhead ? Joking and rousting each other like boys just seconds before, the men were instantly all business. for the preparation and handling/custody this type of white phosphorus weapon designate the Edgewood Arsenal (EA) Edgewood Chemical Biological Center (ECBC). combustibility. These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid rich kids like George Bush? come on? Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 2:45 utc | 14. Become Member of Artillery isn't just "Hey, lets see what we hit when we put the deflection and elevation on such and such". I was with the battery that was providing artillery support for fallujah. And Bush's mounting political woes at home have undermined the chance for any bold U.S. initiatives to address the grim social realities that feed Islamic radicalism, they say. I would be less tired if they would at least bother to vary the script a little. 7,000 motherfuckers died for your sorry ass at Iwo Jima ALONE. if they were people the media wouldn't publish these images. To conduct warfare with no thought to the pain and suffering inflicted, to use unconventional weapons which are less humane and less discriminate (killing more civilians) is morally repulsive, unethical, and rightly so, to most of the world. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 0:34 utc | 5, & it is essential that we are reminded in the physical sense - in this instance seeing the photograph & filmed evidence of what is being done, the way this war is being fought by the occupation forces is similar to the einsatzgruppen in that 'normal' moral boundaries have been left, far, far behind, they do this & then are surprised that this same resistance is capable of using forward areas such as jordan as other bases of contact. The Story the Mainstream Media won't report - the FACTS that are actively OBSCURED and DENIED when they aren't being otherwise NOT reported at all. Yep I suppose if I annoyed someone sufficiently they could seek some sort of redress on my own 'turf' but I just don't believe that is likely enough to get me to trim my mainsail. I'm not sure what watchlists are but I agree that one should be careful in any forum such as this where such contentious issues are being discussed. Yes, MoA is a living thing and it has evolved as participants have come and gone. And for him to say that they don't censor any stories coming out, I don't doubt that they don't censor them. Indeed, the article goes on to make clear that soldiers would have liked to have saved more WP rounds to use for “lethal missions.”, However, as Mark Kraft, an emailer to Eric Alterman’s blog, Altercation, points out today, the Field Artillery Magazine article fails to inform its audience that. @monolycus "I just had a horrible epiphany earlier about the watchlists. In … Shake 'n' bake I can't believe this is a story from my hometown paper!!! He was previously Director-General and Chief Executive of the Chemical and Biological Defence Establishment, Porton Down. But when we had reporters from CNN, mostly CNN or the Army Times, they were protected, they were concealed in armored Humvees, protected by soldiers. Other common names include "WP", and the slang term "Willie Pete," which is dated from its use in Vietnam, and is still sometimes used in military jargon.As an incendiary weapon, white phosphorus burns fiercely and can set cloth, fuel, ammunition and other combustibles on fire, and cause serious burns or death. We've got 3 more years of this, at the very least. This isn't the enjoyable watering hole that it once was. », March edition of Field Artillery Magazine, The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Bush critics conclude U.S. is losing war on terrorism, The insurgents of Fallujah were described as Ali Baba, or thieves. See you in hell. If it kills the enemy in the process, that's kosher, too. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 11 2005 23:28 utc | 72, Do you believe that Captain James T. Cobb, First Lieutenant Christopher A. LaCour and Sergeant First Class William H. Hight are lying when they authored "We fired “shake and bake” missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out.". Warning:These are extremely graphic images posted simply to show the true face of war. I used to be a bleeding liberal like you, but then after joining the Marines and got out and saw the world, I now have at least SOME clue as to what's going on. Posted by: Enough | Nov 12 2005 1:30 utc | 90. They were given 2 months to clear out. So, I mean, there's definitely a media control going on in Iraq. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 12 2005 0:18 utc | 79. I look at that as similar to dreams I had as a kid where I was falling in a bottomless pit, with hungry crocodiles swirling around me. If either were in any real danger I'm more than prepared to go and take care of it myself. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 16 2005 0:04 utc | 95, Posted by: Outraged | Nov 15, 2005 7:04:44 PM | #, Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 16 2005 0:23 utc | 96, "Napalm was used in several instances during the initial invasion. ('Did' slaps hisself on back of hand and goes back to wondering if that rain pissin down outside is goin to stop for long enough to get a bit of fresh air). Lieutenant Colonel Dave Bellon, of the First Regimental Combat Team, told the Globe that "You have to say 'Here are the rules,' and you are firm and fair. "Fire!" The material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving it for research and educational purposes. Expecting it to be atrocity-free is unreasonable. I'm not chewing at you specifically, Debs.  Free Books! As far as the forced labor issue goes, I don't know when that's dated. But there are accounts of children as young as four, and women and old men being killed.". I mean, like i said though, some people(VERY few) thought it would be cool to stay back. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. Bogert yelled, as Millikin dropped it. As used by Marines and soldiers, “Shake ‘n’ Bake” refers to astandard technique used to deliver alternating rounds of highexplosives and incendiary white … Certain 'well known', widely used, 'chemical weapons' are specifically identified in three definitions schedules of the convention. 新規作成 新規ページ作成 新規ページ作成(その他) このページをコピーして新規ページ作成 このウィキ内の別ページをコピーして新規ページ作成 このページの子ページを作成 アットウィキで新規ウィキ作成 編集 ページ編集 DM has nailed it. Some saw what they thought were attempts by the military to conceal the use of incendiary shells. They say they have never seen what they’ve hit, nor did they talk about it as they dusted off their breakfast and continued their hilarious routine of personal insults and name-calling. @Pat i think i need to go spit into the face of some american tourist today. Trolls eat angry, emotional responses on websites. @ Outraged and U.S. Marine Posted by: DM | Nov 12 2005 0:39 utc | 84, how could you say such a thing Posted by: Pat | Nov 10 2005 1:29 utc | 9, for their crimes - the united states will have to down on bended knees to ask forgiveness for what it has done, for what it is doing & for what is about to come, the moral bankruptcy of the junta reall seems to have no bottom That's disguised authoritarianism, if not pseudo-fascism. Regardless, yes, no one will ever be tried re 'Shake and Bake', we've been doing it (we're not alone) for over 7 generations ... at least ... Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 1:39 utc | 11. We fired “shake and Aged about 9 I was simultaneously fascinated and repelled because I had never seen anything as graphic before and that gave me pause. Civilians who remained in Fallujah "appeared to have been seen as complicit in the insurgency," the Independent reported. So who are you to believe? In military language it is called WV: World Vision, Posted by: Enough | Nov 11 2005 18:18 utc | 49, Posted by: Enough | Nov 11 2005 18:21 utc | 50, ”Several of our Red Cross workers have just returned from Fallujah since the Americans won't let them into the city,”, Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of U.S. military reprisal, a high-ranking official with the Red Cross in Baghdad told IPS that ”at least 800 civilians” have been killed in Fallujah so far" This is why the Geneva Conventions and rules of warfare, the Laws of War, were created and exist. (4) Burster Type White phosphorus (WP M110A2) rounds burn with intense heat and emit dense white smoke. White Phosphorus by the United States Military during the 2004 Fallujah Assaults‖ (2007), and Joseph D. Tessier‘s article ―Shake & Bake: Dual-Use Chemicals, Contexts, and the Illegality of American White Phosphorus Attacks in Iraq‖ (2007). A United States Marine:"It's kind of hard to imagine that someone would be FORCED to stay in when all the leaflets told you to get out. @A United States Marine Such awareness needs to be incorporated into the training of all future members of the scientific and technical professions. My gut was telling me this was a troll when I saw the sobriquet, but the content is telling me another story. Since none of us really have our finger on the pulse that is pretty unlikely. If something to irretrievably undermine the official 9-11 mythology For this reason it is capable of dissolving the body parts with which it comes into contact, the mucous tissues being the most exposed to its effects. We need to see the international community take action to protect the civilian people who have been caught up in the middle of this conflict.” Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2005 20:26 utc | 64, i am so tired of their lies & of their pornography, of their reasoned arguments, Reasoned?! Any remaining doubts now ? The US method of warfare since WWI has been to bring massed firepower on point and to flank the position. Sorry, that ought to be: IT DOES *NOT* FALL UNDER... Posted by: Pat | Nov 10 2005 2:52 utc | 16. Death by burning is not a violation of the LLW. Thanks Hannah. (rules of engagement) Card around here somewhere. What was your MOS ? That would be preferable, but I'm too pessimistic to think it will come to pass. Posted by: Hannah K. O'Luthon | Nov 10 2005 7:00 utc | 22. my grandmother was a child during WW1. Although I don't really go with that because it is placing a lot of weight on MoA's stature, and that doesn't feel comfortable let alone credible. there is no way you can use white phosphorus like that without forming a deadly chemical cloud that kills everything within a tenth of a mile in all directions from where it hits. 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